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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by andysjt, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. andysjt

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    if you have seen the news today the gov plan to reduce national to 50mph & some 30 - 20 mph , together with average speed camras its not looking good , although i an not a masive speed braker i dont want to ride like a nun either what do you think ? have they gone to far ?
     
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    Were they not just changing the 60's to 50's in rural areas?

    I live in the middle of the countryside, and I can't really see a problem with this (if it is just the rural roads) as a lot of the time the roads are too narrow to risk going fast anyway.....

    but when you do get a nice piece I have never seen plod around where I live.....but I guess that may be different in other areas

    Who really sticks to speed limits now (when it is safe to push a little obviously!).....oh yes...i do officer....honest!
     
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    it is when you look at this and then the bike targeted enforcement that is being trialed in Derbyshire.

    It will soon be that you are picked up in Gtr Manchester and then again in Sheffield or even say Glasgow, if you have got there in under a certain time, they do you.

    Big brother is watching and has bikers in its sights
     
  4. Rowly

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    The nanny state is at it yet again, why don't they just concentrate on getting this
    country out of the sh.t they've got us in, I personally am getting pissed off with
    the way our civil liberties are been eroded every day, you cant open a newspaper
    or turn your tv on without some government buffoon trying to run our lives.
    This country will grind to a complete halt if any more speed limits are imposed.
    Welcome back to the dark ages guys, no more horse power just horse and cart
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  5. Graham H675

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    so much for save the enviroment lower speed = lower gears = higher revs = more emmissions all i can say is wa***rs
     
  6. Stu

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    Here Here!

    I'd like to here you views on the HSE :D
     
  7. andysjt

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    a few points
    1) 20mph outside schools & / heavy residential areas, ok fair one i can except that asuming that they use there common sence ? ( what am i saying the goverment have no common sence )

    2) if the national speed limit on rural road is 50 & we allready know that most of it now is solid white lines then how is anyone going to overtake ? it will be one long que for as far as you can see with some old duffer at the front sitting on a cusion .
    3) we will have within a few years a whole army of new drivers / riders who ( unless they brake the law ) will have no exsperience of driving at any speed , cornering at speed , & overtaking with oncomeing traffic ,they will not developing the judgment & exsperiance needed to do these things , the only time they get above 50 will be on the motorway in a straight line

    is this impovement ? i dont think so i think the goverment have spotted the fact that if they decrease the speed limit it increases there revinue

    when i passed my test , ( a long time ago i know ) , i viewed the speed limits as a kind of advisory speed , odviously this was before speed cameras & for 20 years i was never stopped for speeding or anything else dispite the fact that there were alot more cops in cars then , i lernt my road craft my exsperimentation & never had an acident or was bothered by the police , i used common sence as a rule of thumb and everything was ok
    but unless some one on here has made a time machine i think we are stuck with the way thing are now

    auto pilot
     
  8. Edski675

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    The point is that they are saying that this will save lives. There is a very clear link between speed and KSI. What is NOT proved - and evenin the evidence the government relies upon - is that speed causes accidents. My understanding of the reserch on the Department for Transport's website is that speed is rarely a cause of accidents. Usually the causes are looked but didn't see (SMIDSY to you and me), failure to look in the first place, failure to anticipate, acareless or dangerous driving in the sense of not paying attention, poor vehicle control skills, alcohol, drugs, phone, all that sort of thing. Speed of itself is not a major cause, it's way down the list. There are few accidents where you can say that but for the speed of the vehicle, it wouldn't have happened. Very, very few.

    So what is the answer?

    The answer lies surely in better driver training, with compulsory retesting for people who aren't up to scratch, hefty fines and jail sentences for those who drive without regard to other people's safety. I mean drunks, people who drive without insurance, people who drive the wrong way up motorways, Labour peers who are texting while driving, elderly people who can't see worth a damn and collide with bikers, that sort of thing.

    The development of tyre and braking systems in the last 30 years is fantastic, and yet the Govt seems to be saying that this is all irrelevant. So we go back to the man with the red flag. Just imagine how long it will take to get anywhere. And all that money from speeding fines.
     
  9. Stu

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    What makes me laugh is the amount they spend on the infrasturcture to catch speeding motorists. Remove your number plate or have a false one and all the cameras in the world are useless - unless plod stops you.

    I feel persecuted as a motorcyclist and wish I had the balls to start a national 'throw you number plate away' campaign.

    Nice to see the European satnav has bitten the dust. I believe 'smart tag number plates' were involved in that one. How did we ever allow this big brother state is beyond me. :cry:
     
  10. Rowly

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    HSE = common sense gone mad, for people who have no common sense :lol: :lol:
     
  11. andysjt

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    it got to this stage coz people who make decisions at local gov level are clueless ,week & nieve thay are sold a plan that once in practice takes on a different or duel purpose , sevalance camras are a good example used for cutting street crime yes but then thay use it to fine people for putting there bins out on the wrong day ?

    i think its called function creep and we all have let it happen because most of us are good citerzens who go to work & pay our bills

    geroge orwell was right , he just got the year wrong
     
  12. bubbaf

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    Nice to see the European satnav has bitten the dust. I believe 'smart tag number plates' were involved in that one. How did we ever allow this big brother state is beyond me.

    coz people voted for the stalinistas and touchyfeely dogooder scumbags it was always going to happen

    I'm allowed to complain, I didn't
     
  13. The problem with leaving the speed limits alone and improving driver training is that there isn't much money in it for the Government!

    They need new income sources to get us out of the 10's of Billions £ debt that they got us into by borrowing money to get us out of the recession!

    And the funny thing is that they are claiming for porn movies etc on their expenses and generally raping the system for everything they can get while us in the real world have to work bloody hard for a living. I am pretty sure that if I put something like that through my company expenses I wouldn't be working there for much longer.

    It's a f*$&ing disgrace what we have to put up with....and I look forward to see what Alistair Darling has to say in the new budget....although I'm sure there won't be anything too harsh as there will be an election around the corner.

    All I can say is.....VOTE Monster Raving Looney Paarty!!

    Ok.....rant over.....
     
  14. Rowly

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    Its another fuel tax rise!!!! robbing foooo..........king twats, why don't we all hire a porno
    and send the bill to Jackie Smith, she gets it for free on us :lol:
     
  15. Jap_Sti_3

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    Fully Laden :roll:
     
  16. jimjam39

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    :eek: I take my hat off to you Sir, Respect :!:
     
  17. The Fridge

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    HEAR HEAR Graham
     
  18. Stu

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    You have to go one better :(

    Mine's 155 fully laden in France.
     
  19. SV_Justin

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    That a boy jap_sti! I've only got up to 148mph and I scared the s**t out of myself as i hit the smallest lump in the road and nearly lost it.


    With machines getting faster and faster and speed limits getting lower and lower, more and more people are breaking the speed limit when in 99% of cases they are driving/riding perfectly safely.

    It's amazing, we are now travelling as fast as people did in the last 1940's
     
  20. Rowly

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    The fascist regime are slowly but surely taking us out, they want your boots,
    your clothes and your motorcycle, its not quite the 1940s but thats where
    we're heading, when they are using million pound technology, choppers!!
    to watch us having our fun when there's real crime out there been undetected
    We are an easy target to make the crime figures look impressive while the
    gangsters run our towns and cities with impunity, remember speed kills but
    so does people with their guns and knives, sorry guys I'll get off my soapbox
    now :evil:
     

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