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2013 Daytona engine install questions.

Discussion in 'Maintenance & Tweaks' started by spec675, Mar 4, 2021.

  1. spec675

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    Hi all. I'm finally getting round to fitting a replacement engine into my Daytona after the engine melted itself in a crash at Oulton a few years ago. I bought a crash damaged 675 for the engine and due to having no time I've ended up with parts for both bikes scattered between the garage, the loft and god knows where else.
    I've been fitting the engine using the workshop manual but incompetence combined with impatience has meant I've got some spare connectors left over. Any help identifying them and where they go would be massively appreciated. I feel like I'm missing some bits but can't work out what I'm looking for :)
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    Does something attach to the white circle?
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    Orange connector?
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    The two reds are to reg rec and to kickstand I think. The purple line is maf sensor I think but can't find a home for it.
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    The green arrow connector was hidden in the previous photo.

    Thanks in advance! Cheers, Andy.

     
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    Orange connector seems to be for the fan but looks too short to get there.
    Purple and yellow connect and bolt on back of airbox I think.
    Getting closer...l think!
     
  3. I was going to have a guess at some but didn't want to potentially point you in the wrong direction, the orange (mustard) colour is the fan and the other end is a flying lead from the fan and should be poking up in front of the cam cover under the SAI sol.
    As far as the others go, its virtually impossible to get them wrong, they'll normally only match one thing within reach of the cable, because of the different connectors or they'll be "keyed".
    I've looked back at pictures I took during my service but they wouldn't be much help, they were more to remember the routing and the order i did things, I thought the connectors were self explanatory, although I hadn't had the engine out and it wasn't years between.
    Just look for things that are missing a connector and see what matches, you've got the manual to double check the wire colours.
    Sorry that wasn't much help:p
     
  4. CamPhair

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    My bike is an 08 so different build up but I hope this helps.

    Your 3rd picture in.
    Pretty sure the red is the side stand switch connector.

    The dark green sits on top of the air box. See attached. Think it's an air flow sensor.

    Purple. Not sure what it does but on mine it sits to the lower left of the air box. I think the rubber (yellow) push fits onto the bottom of this. See attached.



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    Thanks both I think I'm going in the right direction. While going through a box of oily bits from my stripped engine I came across what looked a lot like the gear position sensor.
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    This has 3 wires and matches one of my spare connectors. The 2016 engine I have fitted has a gear position sensor with 4 wires and matches another connector.
    https://www.675.cc/threads/gear-position-sensor.21917/
    Both connectors seem to be wrapped as part of the main loom. Is there a chance my loom has both just in case and therefore one of the connectors is just spare? I don't seem to have the extra fly lead talked about in the thread. The bike and loom are 2013 for reference.
    I'm struggling to find things to match to all the connectors and am getting to the point where I'm thinking of connecting power to it all and seeing what error codes come up! Good plan or disaster in the making?
    Cheers!
     
  6. I'd fit the 3 wire gear position sensor and then powering up is probably not a bad idea, it won't do any harm and will definitely generate codes if there's anything disconnected that shouldn't be.
    Assuming its just an engine swap and you still have the original matching ECU/clocks/immobiliser/ABS unit.
     
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    I've powered it up but the cheap Bluetooth reader I have wouldn't connect so have ordered a new one. It didn't go bang anyway so that's good at least.
    There are a couple of cables you may be able to help me with in the mean time?
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    This runs to the fused positive supply but I can't see where to connect the end.

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    I think this runs to the starter motor but not sure where to connect the gold coloured end.
     
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    I can't find anything to connect to this.
     
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    Can't quite see where to mount the red circle (maf sensor?)
    Still no ides what blue circle is?
     
  10. CamPhair

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    I think your green one goes to the starter motor. The connector on the end should fit onto a lug on the starter motor.
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  11. As CamPhair said, the cable from the starter solenoid with the rubber boot goes to the starter motor, the other one from the solenoid goes to battery +ve.
    The cable with the 90 degree lug if its going down to the engine area is likely the main battery -ve.
    My bike is only in the next room but the fuel tank is brimmed otherwise i'd lift the tank, if you hang on till the morning i'll siphon some juice and lift the tank to see if I can identify whats left.
    Don't forget you'll have at least one left over for the Californian EVAP (I think)
    You'll need a OBDLink LX bluetooth adaptor for guaranteed connection using TuneEcu to allow test/diagnostics, code reading/resetting and remapping.
    There are a few other cheaper adaptors that will read codes but as you found its a bit hit and miss and you may end up spending more than the cost of the OBDLink in the end.
     
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  12. Found a pic from my service of the sensor circled in red, MAP I think not MAF.
    There should be a hole to mount it or its using one of the airbox lid screws, i'm not sure.
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    Just guessing but does the sensor screw onto the hole in the centre of the attached?
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  15. You can see that hole empty in Spec675's pic but mine looks like its mounted further left and higher, thats assuming mines correct.
    Doesn't really matter as long as its secured and the pipe isn't kinked.
    Mine is a 2013 same as OP's, probably slightly different to underseat models.
     
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    Thanks for all the help I am very grateful.
    I've ordered a Bluetooth reader from lonelec. Should link to tune ecu on my phone easily. Serves me right for ordering a cheap one first time.
    The MAP sensor looks like it should mount in that hole on mine but the fuel pipe seems to be in the way and there isn't much play on that. The rubber air hose seems to want to run up that gap in the housing for the ecu though so I'll try where you have it.
    I'm hoping the blue circle is for the evap canister thing. The connector looks pretty unused.
    If you could have a look at yours Wobbly to confirm the cables that would be brilliant. There's still a few there that are a mystery to me :D
    Out of curiosity, does yours have a gear sensor with 3 or 4 cables? If 4 do you have the spare 3 pin connector I seem to have or vice versa and you use that 3 pin connector?
    Thanks again everyone!
     
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  17. The small black 2 pin connector (green-brown?) is the rear brake switch.
    The one circled blue seems to match my unused plug (yellow/red - pink/brown), guessing EVAP. 20210307_100318.jpg

    Better view of the MAP sensor, its on its own raised mounting hole.
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    My gear position sensor plug is 3 pin, can't see any unused
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    Couple more pics that may or may not be of any use.
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    Thank you so much!
    The brake light switch :confused: I'd never have worked that out as the rearsets were mangled in the crash and the I don't think there's a switch on the replacement giamotos I bought off here at the moment. I've been staring at that trying desperately to make a cable appear from somewhere :D
    Do you happen to know if I can get to the starter motor connection without taking the airbox off... again! Can't get out to the bike today to have a look.
    One (hopefully) final thing. Would you mind sticking up the reference photos you mentioned if you have anyshowing loom/cable layouts round the front/sides if the bike? I wish I'd been that organised!
     
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    No problem
    Looking back at your pics i'm a bit confused with your main starter cables, in one pic your holding the rubber boot end which looks like the starter motor connection and in the other pic there's a black cable that looks like its already going to the starter with a 90 degree lug on the other end, Also to correct what i said previously, the main battery -ve cable goes from the battery to the main ground point on the frame, same point the P clip is mounted for the starter cable, not to the engine.
    So from battery +ve to the starter solenoid terminal closest to the ABS unit, then from the other terminal to the starter motor (which presumably will have a round crimp and rubber boot)
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    Refitting the starter cable may be possible if you move the ECU, have very small hands and magnetic sockets (if its not a brass nut)
    Considering you'd want a good reliable connection it may be less trouble taking everything off again but i've never had to disconnect mine.
    Regarding the other photos, looking back they might not be that useful, just random pics during the strip in case i forgot were something went, i'm ashamed how dirty it looks under there as well.
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    In the interests of clearing up the mystery and declaring myself to be twat of the week, month, year and possibly more. I thought I knew roughly where the starter wire went but couldn't get to it. Pulled the airbox and throttle bodies but there still didn't seem to be anywhere obvious for it to go. It turns out that the 2 wires I'm trying to connect are in fact the same wire just disconnected from opposite ends. When I stripped the first engine I disconnected the wire at the starter and when I stripped the second I pulled the cover off the solenoid and disconnected it there. The cover hides the connector so I hadn't noticed it was the same. Ffs.
     
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